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Manitonquat

Manitonquat

>> Begründer der CircleWay-Methode & Autor  <<

Interview mit Manitonquat (2014 & 2015)

How is this camp for us? Yeah, I think successfull. I`m very impressed with all the work that everybody is doing. Starting with the organizers from the beginning, lot of thought went into it. And all the people continue to volunteer to do all the things that need to be done. Everything is running smoothly. It`s also relativ unusual for a large group of people that we haven`t had any big upsets or problems. (Not yet, Ellika) It`s a slide for me to run out for (?) were almost there…We only have tonights celebrations, ceremonies. Tomorrow is clan-meeting and the last good-bye. And all has been wonderful.

And I gave a couple of days workshops to my new book about caring for children which I think thats the most important thing we have to work with. I`m very happy that so many people are excited about the whole process. About what we doing, about playing with the children. The ones who have read the book are very excited about the book. Some people told me from my workshops here already just from coming knowing nothing about us. Nothing but they felt completely supported and liberated and just cheerfully grateful that they ran into us. And all of us is happy. That makes me feel good.

Well, we had more of a group this year then before. And we had a couple of people who paying good attention to them. And we will determine to reach out to them because the youth are very important to me. They got very isolated from society there. They are at the point were they are looking whats going on they getting pushed here and there. And they are making up their minds whats outthere. But they don`t much like it. And so they creating their own culture. And we need them. We really do. We need to reach out to them. Get more support them or get more input from youth culture.

About the swedlodge… I don`t always caring about doing swedlodge because I`ve done a lot of in my lifetime. And I have a lot of other things that I wanted to move. And it takes some quite a lot of time. Likely (?) Ellika is very supportive of the swedlodge and makes sure if there is anybody who wants it that it happens. And I was happy that the young people really wanted it, the youth. For my part being able to present that there for them I was unfortunately not able to go throu the entire ceremony inside. Because I realised that if I did I probably would finish of the week here. It was more important to everything else than…Likely I have a wonderful partner that can do the whole thing. And she appointed to me afterwards that it was very important for those youth. And a lot of got a grate deal out of it. So it was a really good thing to do. But you need to talk to them. If you got to find out how it really was.

We try to play every day with the children but with the various…the day been taken up so much by empathize (?) it. The amount of time we had to play with the children was less then I would like. However I would say then it was quality time. I got some pictures today in doing some more play. We got some people out there that really getting into. And the children were loving it. Thats the main thing.

When we began the community-process I was 48.  Cause I had been part of many communities in the past. And had some good ideas about how they should be or what will be good for them. It was a combination of myself an Emmi, who is the mother of my children, wanting the best kind of atmosphere for our boys to grow up in. We began the process when our oldest boy was just two years old. And the other one came along about three years later.

So they grew up in this community that we with other friends created. The one that was created expressively to respect and honour the children as full human beings. Listen to them, make sure that theire wants and needs get expressed and heard and that we all act together. And we had a lot of things to do that. And we were very supportive of their wants and their feelings. We had a lot of fun. We played together. We had a play-day every month were all the whole community went out to play with the children all day long and eat out and cook out together.

And we all used this process of co-counceling that now we are calling supportive listening to help with each other ot find ourselves and our group-relationships and our personal relationships and all that.

It was wonderful. 20 years from the initial-start. Where we had a banner: “In us we trust”. To the final end, when our boys had got to collage, people were leaving to do other projects. And I wanted to expand that community. I wanted a one much larger than the one that we had. I wanted it to reach out further into the world and spread. I wanted an Eco-Village. And I wanted it to be the way we functioned. Thats what lend to our eventually leaving the community and doing the process of making camps and workshops and circles over here in Europe.

I met her when I was doing a workshop in Kopenhagen. And whenever I would come to Europe she would organize things for me and we were travel together. And then she would come to my community. So I had the experience of her community, Kristiania and she had the experience of mine in Mellanokit. And then we build our dream of an Eco-Village. Large enough to be its own culture but functioning the same way that our small community did in the U.S.

What is the Circle Way? Is an combination as its developed now. Capitalized the way we use it. Its also referred to by another group called “Peer-Spirit” that uses the CircleWay in their own way to get groups together, to get people harmonized and working together. They put out a book, called the CircleWay, which has the sub-titel “A leader in every chair”. And its very good. What they don`t have.

What makes ours different is all this supportive-listening tool which we developed from co-counceling.

The whole idea for both of these circleway-projects and others, I think, stams from, my experience, stams from the old experience of native american communities, traditionally. Thats something that I know something about. Probably more than most of the people that are doing communities now.

Because I have lived on reservations, I have traveled through reservations. I have spent lot of time with elders all over North America, Canada and the U.S. And talked to many people about the Circle, about children and elders and all those things. So that is kind of the backround of it what the elders told about the circle. How it helps us all help each other. The basis of the circle, the reason for a circle is to help each other.

And it actually goes back to maybe 100.000 years ago when human beings were first becoming human beings. First making circles they made circles to help each other. To hunt together. To gether food together. To build their homes and settlements together. Do everything together. Take care of the children together. Helping each other is part of our human nature. We want to be helpful. We need help. And we want to help.

But the society changed. Began changing maybe 8-10.000 years ago when civilization began to come out of the population was so big that this circles got lost. The cooperation and the compashion, the helpfulness, the love that was the guide of those old circles got lost. Because the way to survive when fear is the dominating instead of love is to be physically strong and make sure you take what you want.

And that developed a warrior-culture. It was warlords that began to organize the early societys and they became kingdomes and empires. And all of human history is been the same. Its a history of violence, a history of conflict. A history of human beings hurting other human beings for their own selfish needs. Meanwhile behind the scenes all of the native people were living peacefully in harmony with each other and cooperation. Until they were finally conquered by these violent dominating cultures.

The way of living changed for our people from cooperation to domination. And thats to mad. That created a seperation. That seperation which is the most important obstacle we have to our humaness. Keeping us from each other. Actually there are three kinds of seperation. They are all segnificant to us as human beings. First is, human beings are segnifcantly seperated from their roots in the environment, from the earth, from the natural world. From the birds and the plants, and animals, just the natural growths of things.

Its getting worse and worse. More than half the worlds population lives in cities now completely seperated from nature. And its healing effects, and its softening effects, its slowing effects. Going after a faster, mader more confusing, more tense more stressful live. And also a more isolated live. So the second seperation that we all are suffering from is seperation from each other. Communities had broken down. They are no longer close communities anymore. Families had braking down. The young people were leaving home, breaking up, going all over. They all…sound there the family helping …its not there anymore.”[…]

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Zauberfrau Ellika Linden

Zauberfrau Ellika Linden

Zauberfrau Ellika Linden

>> CircleWay Mitbegründerin <<
Interview mit Zauberfrau Ellika Linden (2014, 2015 & 2016)

I moved to a community in Kopenhagen because I wanted to live closer to the earth and with people and don`t use so much stuff. Live simpel. And that was `79. And I met Story `84. And my community is very big. It`s still there. And an honor-kissed community. And I`ve learned so much by being there. Because its really wild. And then I went to Story`s community and it was different. It was more checked and more, we listened to each other more and we had…it was very different. But much much smaller.

And I also wanted to live closer to people thats why I moved to the community. Not only to the earth.

I wanted to say that we have…in old Europe we had Circles too. Where I come from, from the Island. I come from the stonecircles, where people met and talked about things. And also in Germany there are stonecirlces, and Ireland. You know, we used to live in circles but we lost it much earlier then they did in North-America. So its for us to come back.

Thats why I think when we sit in a circle there is something inherit that we feel, “WoW”. Many people say, I feel at home here. Something happens in the circle. And we experience it very often in the circles in the prisons. That people talk how they never talked before. They say things they are astonished about because the power of us all together gets the spirit up. That when there is respect in a circle that it has its own power. And thats very beautiful.

And I think its not easy. When Story talks its sounds so easy. Because I think it might be difficult to do this. But to live in the society in lonely famliy or lonely in a appartement is not easy either. So this is the better way.

It will be hard because we were not growing up in a circle. So there is a lot of things to learn but the children who grow up in a circle has a different outlook. And they bring with them the knowledge. In Christiania we have kids who were small when they came to the circle. And now they know it in their bodys. They know it in the blood what it means. Even if we in Christiania don`t live in a circle. But they have that openess to others and to take care of others and awareness. And thats—it will take time.

We meet people all the time who say there is a need now. There is a really deep need for many people that they are not satisfied with their lifes now.

There is no time for them to be alive, to be really alive and experience that venture of being alive. They feel like they are like this…and they are not happy. You look in the street people are stressed and unhappy. There is not a life. Its not a life when you produce and produce and produce and you have to go there and there and then all the time. So there is a need in our days. To feel closer to the earth and closer to each other.

He is really wonderful. When I heared it first, I said oh, no. Not one more jump people. Because when we traveled before, we traveled by train. And I love train. And with car you polute and all that. And I thought oh, we have so little time when we can relaxe and be ourselves. And then we have to relay a third person all the time.

Because I always wanted to take care of people. And I want everybody to be happy. But then we met Simon and it workes beautifully because he is a part of us. I still don`t like the car but I like him. And I really like how he plays with the kids and starts to councel and gets into everything. He is really very wonderful. And he is so eager to learn.

I don`t know what love is. I don`t know. I somethimes think what is it? But I can feel love but I can`t analyze it and say what it is. Its something you feel when you get close to somebody and understand somebody. Something you feel when you get close to flowers or a tree or something. Something that binds us together. I can feel love for story when I see him coming walking. See him from the back, coming walking over the meadow. Its, oh, thats sweet.

And I can feel love for when I see the children. Even when people are hurting its easy to feel love for them. Because I think when we can be open with each other and really share from deep inside, even that things we really are afraid to share because we would be punished or people wouldn`t love us anymore or or like us anymore, we would be thrown away somewhere. When we dare to share those feelings and those thoughts its so easy to love. Because then we understand each other. Everybody understands each other when we share on that level.

I remember how it was when I was young and thought that nobody would love and like me. If they would really knew what I was thinking you know and some actions I did. Its so wonderful to see that its not true. And its wonderful for people to discover that, that they are excepted and loved even if they have all those thoughts and feelings that are not good. They call it bad thoughts or sometimes they say its bad spirit or something.

And its only old hurts. It made so much sense to me the first time I heared that. That when people act in a bad way for others and for themselves, its because they are hurt. They only tell how they were hurt. But nobody understands that. Nobody listens to them because they get afraid or angry or upset, irritated. But if we understand that, that when people are acting in a bad way they are only showing how they were hurt. And some people are so far gone into that, that they can`t feel anything anymore.

Because they were not allowed to show their feelings and share theire feelings when they were young. When that happens there is alway hope. And its alway possible to love each other and even yourself, sometimes. Thats the hard thing. I don`t know.

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